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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:06 PM
the sound of the perp's name wasn't all that surprising.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:23 PMThat's fort hood and it's another fukin islamist psychopath
Islam is the only example of a religion that needs global banning with death for any one practicing it. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:01 PMit's not about Islam cliff
anyways, the crazy moonbat conspiracy nuts are at it already
LOL
uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...60adb652
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:46 PM
life must be more interesting when every tragic occurrence is evidence of a conspiracy at the highest level.
and no. it isn't so much about Islam as it is about bureaucratic laws that prevent administrators from factoring in obvious red flags when vetting their staff. same can be said for the tragedy at VA Tech. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:57 PM<<life must be more interesting when every tragic occurrence is evidence of a conspiracy at the highest level. >>
it must be some kind of coping mechanism. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:18 PM
>> it must be some kind of coping mechanism. <<
makes em feel important to be the expert of some shit they just made up. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:34 PMI actually think these people just can't deal with the random and destructive nature of the world.
It's like 9/11: Would you feel better knowing that it took some vast internal conspiracy to attack America on it's own soil, or that it was pulled off by a bunch of assholes who spend their weekends fucking sheep in torra borra?
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:43 PM
>> I actually think these people just can't deal with the random and destructive nature of the world. <<
too optimistic. I had to endure a few conversations with these cretins during my time in SF. they enjoy this shit. kind of similar to swapping Baseball stats for baseball fans.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:05 AM*******it's not about Islam cliff ****************
You keep saying that. I keep hearing it from others on the left.
But over and over and over and over it's Islamists who are doing these things.
When will your words stare connecting with reality?
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:09 PMThey need tokick all the muslims out of the military. Give them a severance or something but kick them out. That's the only way to prevent this from happening again. This sort of thing didn't happen when Bush was around. After 9/11, Bush's actions effectively prevented these sort of attacks. He took the war to them in Iraq, by attracting all the militants to a fair battleground, where the US soldiers were armed and could defend themselves. Now, with a weak president in the white house, the militants are getting brave again. This probably isn't the last similar attack that will happen while Obama is in office. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:46 PMJust watch France and Germany. They are being overrun by muslims and now special laws are being enacted to cater only to the muslims. Look into it. It's frightening.
And yeah, this guy had been spouting Islamist extremist comments for awhile before he started killing people. This has everything to do with Islamic hatred of infidels.
Our president bowed to a muslim leader in a foreign country. He can call himself a Christian all he wants, but he BOWED to a muslim superior.
And to think, Nobel is giving him over a $1.4 million for his future potential. Hmmmmm.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 4:47 PM>> And yeah, this guy had been spouting Islamist extremist comments for awhile before he started killing people. This has everything to do with Islamic hatred of infidels. <<
it goes beyond that. take the shootings at VA Tech. everyone knew that Cho was insane. maybe suicidal or homicidal. but the way laws are structured in this country, mental illness becomes a civil rights issue. so people that pose obvious risks to their peers can't be vetted based upon their behavior. and so we end up with unnecessary suffering and death because we all want to convince ourselves how wonderful we are. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:24 AMTo oversimplify greatly, it's called political correctness. It's always a vile thing, not being able to speak the truth so as to avoid hurting somebody's feelings. But when it gets innocent people killed, it's especially vile.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:28 PM************his has everything to do with Islamic hatred of infidels.*************
I'd translate that into: "Everything to do with [ racist ignorant psychopathology finding a happy confluence in the sick twisted farce of a religion called Islam]"
It must be observed that the Islamists teach that it is oOK to lie to, rape, enslave, kill, steal from, and otherwise treat evilly with all non believers. That I would say is a pretty big buzz-kill as it regards Islam ever being part of any non Muslim society.
While the Anti American Fascists would counter with the rediculous claim that Xtianity has similar teachings in the old testament - they are wrong.
The old testament does not authorize believers to lie to, rape, enslave, kill, steal from, and otherwise treat evilly with all non believers.
There are passages about killing and waging war. The old testament in no place offers the believer carte blanche to lie to, rape, enslave, kill, steal from, and otherwise treat evilly with all non believers.
And of course the Ancient Hebrew and Christian excesses are all dead history. No element of either Jews or Catholics or Christians is engaged in the bad old acts of genocide or what the Catholics were doing during the inquisition. And no one back then had explosives, bio weapons, nukes, or airplanes either. So the lethality factor of a psychopathology manifesting as a religion is like nothing the world has ever seen.
Islam should be banned and it's practitioners locked away until they and the memory of them is forgotten.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:44 PM"They need tokick all the muslims out of the military"
Why, it sounds like the individual was identified as having mental issues, nebulous ties and questionable views long ago? But like the attack on 9/11, the warning signs were just ignored
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:47 PM>> I imagine in this instance it was due to overly PC sensibilities <<
bingo! it's a repeat of the slaughter at VA Tech. but the mentally ill are a protected. so when people engage in compulsive, aggressive and sometimes bizarre behavior, their supervisors can't do jack shit. but if you're sane and slip up and say an offensive word, you're out the door. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:05 PM
>> reminds me of this. <<
kind of. except the limbless guy is only going to get himself hurt. whereas tolerating belligerents with mental issues creates a problem for everyone else. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:17 AMThere was an article in the Houston Chronicle (leftist rag to be sure) about how this poor guy was giggled at and had his car keyed once at his apartment complex. Don't you just feel so sorry for this multiple murderer, because he got picked on by a bunch of drunk guys having a BBQ? -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:27 PM************his poor guy was giggled at and had his car keyed once at his apartment complex. ************
I have never heard of a more compelling reason to go on a mindless shooting spree in a crowded room full of strangers.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:20 AMU.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fo...cials/story -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 10:52 PM
so.... the guy is a soldier. and the FBI intercepts a correspondence with a radical cleric linked to two 9-11 hijackers.
well. it looks as if Cliff was right. it is about Islam. radical Islam at least. and political correctness taken to an extreme beyond insanity. one just wonders how far this needs to go. one would have thought the 3000 deaths on 9/11 would have been enough. instead we're pulling grandmothers out of lines at the airport to prove to ourselves how tolerant we are. at the same time the FBI is ignoring obvious red flags.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 11:10 AM************it is about Islam. radical Islam at least. ****************
Well Islam as a religion has absolutely ZERO inhibitions preventing people from taking it to psychotic violent extremes.
In fact Islam is structured such that it encourages the teaching of the worst of things exactly because the religion is a purely populist one.
There are no formal authoritative teachings, no theology, no supervision of what the mullahs teach. There is nothing about Islam that in any way restricts the crazy people from spreading their madness.
It encourages madness.
Islam is whatever the hell any mooslim says it is. So if you want to declare yourself a Mooslim mullah and teach some wild and psychotic version if Islam there is nothing anywhere in all the Ummah to serve as a check against you. In fact the standing you have in the world wide Ummah gets better as you recruit more madmen.
A Mullah's standing in the Ummah is a direct outgrowth of how many people follow him and how influential his Fatwas are.
That is a purely populist system. The easiest way to abuse that is to attract the most venal violent psychotics you can to be your followers.
Armed with a hoard of followers who will enforce your fatwas you are guaranteed that the weaker Mooslims will be cowed even to the point of following you. Eventually you get critical mass and people follow you just because there are so many others following you.
And of course your Fatwas are obeyed. In the secret world of the Ummah there are no secrets. Mooslims are not terribly good at keeping secrets from each other.
The only way to prevent this madness is to centralize Mooslim religious authority.
And we all know what happened the last time those fukers got themselves a Caliphate.
It brought on 400 years of holy war against all things Christendom. The Mooslims waged war in Syria and other Oriental countries converting every one at sword point. They ran wild through the Balkans imposing Islam on pain of death. They enslaves women and raped children and killed all the men every where they went. Then they went to Europe and in Spain met their match.
The Crusades were Christendom's response to 400 years of Mooslim Jihad against all things Christian.
So there you have it:
Islam is the wild wild uncontrollable mental disease that is burning in a fever across the world wide Ummah.
The only way to regulate it is to cause a Caliphate to rise and the only thing a Cali[h has ever done was to set about trying to conquer the world.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:04 PMNo, really, it's just a small percentage of Muslims that are against the infidels.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...8242989.stm -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:29 PMHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Reform issue
It is very common for the Friday prayer in Arab societies to end with the Imam calling for the destruction of the "kuffar", the un-believers, to which the worshippers respond "Amen". "
How fukin precious. I never knew how to spell that world "Kuffar" I knew it meant that we were merely animals compared to them like "beasts in the wild " as I heard one Mooslim preacher say it. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:35 PMActually this kind of stuff happens in most religions. What sets Islam apart is that it's largely normalized and accepted.
"Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
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"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers."
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 10:13 PM
isn't it the brand of Islam proselytized by the Saudis that is at the heart of all the problems?
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 10:34 PMthere are a few, with the Taliban being predominately deobondi
www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ndi.htm
With the Saudis pushing the Wahhabi tradition, which is also the ideology of Al-Quada -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 10:37 PM
yeah. but the Taleban wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for Al Qaeda. the fervor and evangelizing is directed and funded by the Saudis. and that is the source of our headaches. all the other squabbles are essentially regional issues. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:12 PMIf our politicians had spine enough to stand up to the radical environmentalists, we could drill for oil right here in our own country. To the point where the Saudis and their ilk wouldn't be able to put together enough Dinar to purchase a used .38 revolver.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 7:27 PM"yeah. but the Taleban wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for Al Qaeda. the fervor and evangelizing is directed and funded by the Saudis. and that is the source of our headaches. all the other squabbles are essentially regional issues."
I really wish I could remember the title or the author. But while I was in Thailand I read this awesome analysis on the rise of Al-Quada.
It basically attributed the Saudis originally looking to AQ as a way to secure the kingdom (religious fanatics always make good cannon fodder) and as a proxy arm to confront a few rising threats on the horizon (mainly the popular shia uprising in Iran against a monarch, and the spread of the secular arab-nationalist movement ) which they saw as direct threats against their rule in SA, since their rule is largely justified due to religion.
He argued the catalyst for this push were three events: The Iranian revolution, the taking of the grand Mosque in Mecca, and the invasion of Afghanistan -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:02 PM
there is a middle-east expert (woman) by the last name of Bronson that wrote a book on the Saudis. if memory serves, the title is "thicker than oil." worth a read. the proselytizing predates Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. it was a result of the cold war. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:16 PMthanks for the recommendation -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:17 PM
better information. good to see I'm not going to go senile anytime soon.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood (sic)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:25 PM<<<Eight sheep and 42 courtiers followed King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia aboard the USS Quincy, afloat in the Red Sea in February 1945, to meet President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The war in Europe was ending, and the oil age had arrived. On his way home from the Yalta summit with Stalin and Churchill, Roosevelt met the Saudi king to secure landing rights in Arabia so he could rush war materiel to the Asian front. More farsightedly, he also wanted to construct a postwar alliance based on oil production and a shared antipathy to Soviet communism. What happened aboard the Quincy during those several wintry days would define the terms -- and the misunderstandings -- at the heart of America's partnership with Saudi Arabia for more than five decades, until Sept. 11, 2001.
Roosevelt was charming and empathetic; he and Abdul Aziz, an erstwhile desert warrior who limped from disease and old battle wounds, bonded immediately over the wonders of the wheelchair. On the main issues -- "oil, God, and real estate," as Rachel Bronson puts it in her well-documented new history of U.S.-Saudi relations -- they also fell into easy, warm agreement.
Crucially, from Abdul Aziz's point of view, FDR sympathized with the king's opposition to a Jewish state in British-ruled Palestine. Aboard the Quincy, Roosevelt promised that before the United States changed its policy toward Palestine, it would consult with all sides; America, he added, would never do anything hostile to the Arabs. President Harry S. Truman, of course, embraced Israel at its birth three years later, to Abdul Aziz's fury. Still, the aging king was much too practical to sever ties with the United States, which was pumping his oil and plying him with gold, and so he forged on with the U.S.-Saudi alliance, more sullen and mistrustful than before.
The same pattern prevailed, to varying degrees, with his sons and successors. Pragmatic self-interest and visceral anticommunism bound the United States and Saudi Arabia together during the Cold War, but persistent, emotional disagreements -- usually about Israel, and often vented in private -- infused the alliance with rancor and doubt. After the Soviet Union collapsed, the two governments drifted apart until the shock of 9/11; the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis forced a new reckoning -- one that remains far from settled. >>>
Sounds interesting, and for $1.30 you can't go wrong.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:16 PM"Second, some of Hasan's supervisors and instructors had told colleagues that they repeatedly bent over backward to support and encourage him, because they didn't have clear evidence that he was unstable, and they worried they might be "discriminating" against Hasan because of his seemingly extremist Islamic beliefs."
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:25 PM>> that they repeatedly bent over backward to support and encourage him, because they didn't have clear evidence that he was unstable, and they worried they might be "discriminating" against Hasan <<
good post. and that sums it up. I often wonder what the point of this "tolerance" nonsense is all about. I know it appeals to black leadership. it is an ace in the hole that can be used against any white person (or anyone really). it's perpetuated by white liberals that I guess see it as leverage against other white people. lawyers like it because it clogs the legal system with litigation. and the price is a half a dozen dead kids at VA Tech. or a few dead soldiers at Fort Hood.
what a bunch of passive, timid nothings we've become.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:32 PMI've had conversations with friends in the military about their "freedom of speech" and other civil rights.
They don't have any. It's the MILITARY.
They have no rights to privacy, no right to control their own bodies, no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, the military can ransack all their possession any time day or night order them to submit to body inspections blood tests and tell them what they are allowed tosay what they are not allowed to say and even what they are ORDERED to say.
There are no civil rights in the military.
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:13 PMWe're not talking about civil rights. We're talking about the Muslim right not to be offended in any way. -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 12:06 AM>> We're talking about the Muslim right not to be offended in any way. <<
it's a problem that goes way past religion. it's PC nonsense that ensures that anything can be construed as sexist, racist or anti-religious based solely upon the mood of the "victim." -
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Re: Shooting rampage at Ford Hood
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 2:17 PMThere ya go.
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